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First there were the brothers three...

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The Julie Bulette Story

 

Then another half-brother was added...

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The First Born

 

And then a cousin...

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Return to Honor

 

Did they pull it off that they were related?  What might have happened had they all stayed? 

 

Would Ben be looking for more than a good night's sleep?

 

What are your thoughts?

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Conny1971

I believe they did pull it off. They are like a normal family. There are differences in between sometimes, but at the end they stay together and are there for each other. 

 

As for Will. I don´t like him, I believe that he would have caused a lot of trouble. It´s not even because he falls in love with Laura. That can happen, but he did agree to make Adam jealous, that is something I wouldn´t expect from my cousin.

 

With Clay, I am not so sure. I don´t like the episode, it was too rushed. Here comes a man and says he is the son of Marie and Joe believes him without a doubt, just because he had a picture of Marie (Kyle did have one, too and we know how that ended. There seem to be a lot of Maries pictures going around if you consider the century the show played) But I would give Clay a chance, because I didn´t really get to know him in that episode. And Benwould have his hands full with teaching him the values of a Cartwright. And there are some great stories with that topic. 

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Sometimes I struggle even to see Joe and Hoss and Adam as brothers.  Well, obvs half-brothers, but they just are all so different that it felt more like a foster family or adoptive family to me sometimes and none of them really seem to have Ben's characteristics in my eyes.  I haven't come across Will yet, so can't comment, but I didn't mind Clay, although I couldn't see him fitting permanently into the family... having said that, though, he'd be just as different as all the others were, I suppose. :laugh:

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They are different, but I believe that their different ages and childhoods (and of course they had different mothers) plays a big role in that. 

 

I believe the one, most like Ben is Adam, he has Bens business sense, he has Bens sense for justice, no matter what the cost and he fights for the underdogs. Does he come over as cold and bossy sometimes, maybe he does, but he does it because he wants to protect his family. He knows more about what it means to go hungry and having no money and no stable home, than the other two and he learned from an early age not to complain. But he feels just the same than the other two, he just did never learn to show it. I allways think about the harsh way Ben took the music box out of Little Adams hand and the look on Adams face. Adam grew up with a different Ben. 

 

Hoss has propably most of his character from his mother, which is a good thing, imagine he would have the temper of the other two. 

 

With Joe I believe Ben could show more of his, lets say softer side, since Marie was there for the first few years of his childhood. He could allow and give him things, that he couldn´t allow the other two. But with Joe too, the basics of Bens character is there, he just needs a little longer sometimes to learn it. That´s why I prefer, as funny as the comedy episodes are, a more mature Joe. 

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To bounce off what @Conny1971said, I'm so used to seeing them together as a working family that I forget they had very different backgrounds that shaped who they would become. 

 

As Conny said Adam grew up without a home, and without a lot of other things - food, sometimes; friends, going to school, a mother, and threats along the trail - and with a sorrowful Ben, most of the time. Most likely five years of Ben mourning Elizabeth, then more time of mourning Inger (and Adam had that sorrow as well, losing his first 'real' mother, not to mention watching it happen), then being around 10-11 years old when Marie comes into the picture. He also had, first, one brother to help raise, then a second one (after Marie died). That is a lot of responsibility for one youth. Finally, he helped Ben get the ranch going as he got older. The first few years were probably babysitting Hoss. 

 

Hoss spent his toddlerhood on the wagon trains, without a fixed home, and probably blissfully unaware of his father's grief (Adam probably saw to that), but Hoss also spent his childhood with the ranch being formed and without a schoolhouse to attend (until he was much older). Ben had his hands full to work in the wilderness and to educate his sons. When Marie came along, the two boys had a true family, a fixed home, and a woman's touch and love. 

 

Joe never experienced any of what his brothers did in those early years (as alluded to in a few episodes). From the start he had a fixed home, a mother for several years, two doting brothers (sometimes maybe too doting, Lol), and a regular schooling at an earlier age. 

 

IMHO, this is why the brothers seem so different, not only due to the natural difference in personalities but due to their childhood backgrounds. However, thanks to Ben being the stabilizing factor - love and values - his sons are unified as brothers and sons. 

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4 hours ago, AC1830 said:

Finally, he helped Ben get the ranch going as he got older. The first few years were probably babysitting Hoss. 

Do I remember correctly, in one ep, someone saying that Adam had designed the ranch house?

 

@Conny1971and @AC1830 very interesting insights, and what you both say does make a lot of sense to me and really I can see them in a clearer light and see how they all have been shaped by their different experiences.  :thumbsup2:

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21 minutes ago, Oxgirl said:

Do I remember correctly, in one ep, someone saying that Adam had designed the ranch house?

 

@Conny1971and @AC1830 very interested insights, and what you both say does make a lot of sense to me and really I can see them in a clearer light and see how they all have been shaped by their different experiences.  :thumbsup2:

Yes I believe so, but how that would have really worked I don´t know, since Joe was born in it and Adam a child of maybe 11. Krystyna has a nice story about that topic, how that could have taken place in a way

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It's true the three brothers are very different from each other.  Yet, there is definitely a bond of love between them. When one is down or hurt or in trouble the other two are right there to help.  We see examples of this in "The Honor Of Cochise", "My Brother's Keeper", "Vengeance", etc.  Adam, Hoss and Joe are very different in their personalities. Still they have their father's values deep down inside of them. We see an example of this in "The Legacy" as each brother ends up doing the right thing.

 

:adam::hoss::joe:

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3 hours ago, Oxgirl said:

Do I remember correctly, in one ep, someone saying that Adam had designed the ranch house?

 

@Conny1971and @AC1830 very interesting insights, and what you both say does make a lot of sense to me and really I can see them in a clearer light and see how they all have been shaped by their different experiences.  :thumbsup2:

That is a good question as to whether it's canon (from the series) or fanon (from fan fiction and taken as canon) if Adam had a hand in building/designing the house. I too believe it was mentioned in the series but I can't recall when. 

 

Krystyna's story is The House that Adam Built (in the Library).

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3 hours ago, AC1830 said:

That is a good question as to whether it's canon (from the series) or fanon (from fan fiction and taken as canon) if Adam had a hand in building/designing the house. I too believe it was mentioned in the series but I can't recall when. 

 

Krystyna's story is The House that Adam Built (in the Library).

Gil Fenton tells Philip Diedesheimer that Adam designed and built the house to stand 100 years. 

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17 hours ago, AC1830 said:

That is a good question as to whether it's canon (from the series) or fanon (from fan fiction and taken as canon) if Adam had a hand in building/designing the house. I too believe it was mentioned in the series but I can't recall when. 

 

Krystyna's story is The House that Adam Built (in the Library).

Thanks a lot for the link.

I def. remember it being said in an ep I saw recently, give me a while and I will come up with it! :thumbsup2:

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Not sure about Will as I have only watched his episodes once, ages ago.  I always thought there might have been mileage in bringing Clay back at least once more, or as an occasional thing.  He seemed to have a knack for trouble which would have been good possibilities for some storylines, and I think there was chemistry between Joe and Clay.  I could believe they were half-brothers as easily - if not more so - as I can believe it between Adam, Hoss and Joe.   There was even some physical likeness which there certainly isn't between Joe and the others.  

 

What makes BZ work for me is the fact that all three brothers are so very different.  Makes it interesting, so adding a little more variety to the mix would have worked well IMO, especially if had only been occasionally.  After all, later they brought in Candy and that worked fine.

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Funnily enough, I was browsing through some FF last night and I was looking at a comedy one about the writers of the programme (sorry, can't remember author) and he had Jamie say something like "You'll fit right in like the typical Cartwright", or something and then Candy says, "Er, why don't you just describe the typical Cartwright" or something like that.  It was quite funny. :laugh:

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10 minutes ago, Oxgirl said:

Funnily enough, I was browsing through some FF last night and I was looking at a comedy one about the writers of the programme (sorry, can't remember author) and he had Jamie say something like "You'll fit right in like the typical Cartwright", or something and then Candy says, "Er, why don't you just describe the typical Cartwright" or something like that.  It was quite funny. :laugh:

 

Might it be pjb and her Studio Exec series?

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